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mrcidavies

Hi.

During some testing, and learning, the midi controls I have come across something that I do not understand.

When midi learning is on and you select a control, I used Speed of Line, the resulting command saved relates to 'the selected group'. I have proved this is the case by having two groups with faces and both groups have lines set. Now if I use the speed control, a fader, it changes the line speed, but only on the selected group, as implied by the midi command.

My problem is that while running there is no way to have midi select the group, so how is this supposed to control the effects in a live situation?

Regards.

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  • Support

    Hi,

    Indeed, as implied, MIDI controls that are "SelectedGroup" affect only the selected group. And as you've noticed unfortunately there is no way to change the active group via MIDI at the moment. Sorry for the inconvenience.

    Some features that are missing for this but we intend to add: assign a control to group selection, possibility to select the "target" of an assignment (either "this" group or the selected group for instance), multiselection of groups.

    Have a nice day.

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  • mrcidavies

    So broadly the option to use any remote control is very limited as the whole basis of face changes relies on groups. This must be seen as a limiting factor in using the application in any live situation, although it is marketed as usable in this regard, supported by several videos.

    I think in the short term many more 'how to use' in various situations should be fully documented with trial templates etc.

    Regards.

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  • Support

    At the moment we have chosen to work on improving live use by focusing on sequences. The sequence module view now fits more with the matrix view of common controllers. So right now yes, depending on your configuration you might have to resort to controls at the sequence-level as the group-level can lack flexibility.

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  • mrcidavies

    I might see a way to utilise the sequences more than I was, this may be a way forward. As you have added a feedback in OSC, as I understand it, can some way be found to do this with the Midi, as with any type of controller feedback is very important, and with using sequences more it becomes a requirement to understand what's active. 

    Regards.

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  • Support

    Yes, to be coherent with what I just told you, if we incite people to use sequences more for live performances, MIDI Out would definitely be needed.

    As I've mentioned in another post on the forum, the roadmap for 2.11 is not entirely set yet, we take all your input into account and we'll try to keep all of you updated soon.

    I hope you can find a workflow that suits you for now.

    Thanks for understanding, have a nice day.

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  • mrcidavies

    Hi.

    In a previous reply it was said that there is no Midi control for Group Select; "Indeed, as implied, MIDI controls that are "SelectedGroup" affect only the selected group. And as you've noticed unfortunately there is no way to change the active group via MIDI at the moment. "

    I have carried out more testing and have noticed that selecting a group and then the Intensity for that group provides a midi command that is relative to that group as shown in my screenshot. But if this logic is used when mapping the group controls for faces it does not return the selected group. 

    So this would seem to be an error, and not as it has been accepted as a request for a separate group select midi control.

    It would be greatly appreciated if this 'bug' could be resolved as soon as possible as it does make any type of midi control impossible as it stands.

    Best regards.

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  • Support

    Hi,

    Sorry again that it doesn't fit your workflow at the moment.

    As mentioned in a previous comment, we intend to add features to assign a control to group selection, as well as the possibility to select the "target" of an assignment (either "this" group or the selected group for instance), but they are not available at the moment for various reasons.

    Since users can't choose the target of an assignment, we have to choose a default behavior for you (that obviously won't please everybody). We set the default according to observations we've made as well as technical difficulties and yes, I can definitely understand the result might not always seem coherent.

    In conclusion, at the moment, controls marked "SelectedX" affect the assigned parameter of the selected object and on the other hand, if it states "Group A" or "Seq A" it means it can only affect the parameter of Seq A/Group A. Indeed as you've noticed, Group effects are "selected group" assignments and Group properties are "this specific group" assignments.

    If there's something that I'm missing in your comment, please let me know.

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